Transcription of audio Shiur 18

Transcription of audio shiur Notes:
Rashba Blios Ain Yotzte Bli Rotav (BAYBR), includes BBC. The milk will not go from one piece of meat to the next without Rotav. Even though the BBC is like nevilah and has din of ChNN, regarding this din of BAYBR, we don't consider it a neveilah, and it won't assur another piece.

Tur (as per Shach) Brings down Achronim who interpret the Tur, that BBC can assur another piece without Rotav. •Basar Bchalav is Machmas Issur Atzmo, and is an original issur.
•Davar L'hitkabed: davar machmos atzmo (DMA), Neviela and BBC.
•Milk absorbed in meat is DMA

Mechaber •issur touches another piece and assurs it, needs to be
•Hot
•Machmas issur Atzmo
•Neveila
•Basar B Chalav
Issur Does Not assur another piece that it touches, even if roasted together if it is Issur Balua
•Blios lo Yotze b'lo Rotav


Marshal Milk falls on meat in a pot and you didn't stir, only that piece is assur and we don't say that piece of meat makes other meat assur. Issur Balua does not assur without Rotav, even BBC. •Milk that goes into meat does not come out without Rotav.
•Hot meat and Hot milk together will assur each other.
Disagrees with Tur (he was not exact)

Rama Hot and Hot will Assur even without Rotav, and we don;t differenctiate between lean and fatty


Maharai The meat does not assur the rest of the pot because it is not Gufa shel issur, but why does the milk not assur from BBC, because the milk is an issur balua, and it is Kachush. Since it is Kachush it will not assur.
Absorbed issur, not actual issur: will not assur if it doesn't spread.
The meat is what should be the issur. Milk doesn't spread. Milk is Kachush, lean in BBC it is balua, absorbed issur


Shach Will assur the other pieces of meat a Natila, but not completely. Once we say ELA (efshar Lschoto Assur) and ChNN, then the meat is considered Gufa Issur, and it will assur the other pieces. The milk will not go out, and the meat can assur the other pieces of meat, even though the chalav will not go into the other pieces of meat. ?BBC is gufo issur and will assur other pieces of meat even if only the meat goes across. ONLY a NETILA, because we don't differentiate between Kachush and Shamein, Since it is assur because the meat absorbed milk, it is an issur balua (IB)?. In IB we say we can differentiate, and this is issur balua, so we say we can differenetiate, and consider it Kachush. If it is Kachush, then it assur the other piece a netila.
If the BBC was shamain, then it would assur the other meat totally.


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Shach 17: Maharai: Mordechai in the name of the RY: Tipas Chalav: The meat which has a drop of milk will not make another piece of meat assur without Rotav. DSLM is only something that is intrinsically assur, and not something that becomes assur. Meat that absorbs milk, is DSLM, so then why does it no assur another piece? It is a mishna in Avodah Zarah, that BBC is Chrl is not Batel. So why does it not assur another piece? BBC as long as it is combined is called an original issur. Even if part of the meat has no milk it is still called BBC. This last point is like Sha-atnez. (one string in a garment. you can't wear the garment, Can't even use the part of the garment that does not have the linen thread. If you cut off a part of the garment that does not have the linen thread, you could use that part. IN BBC, the only part that emparts from the BBC is the meat taste, not any milk, unless there is Rotav. It is as if we cut off a piece of the meat and we know that their is no milk contained in this part of the meat, it would be mutar just like Kilayim. This would be because we have a case in which we could completely separate the milk from the meat. It is no longer BBC, and is mutar.

Efshar Lsochot Assur: ELA. MaharaiOnce it becomes BBC, as long as there is a mashehu, it is assur. If I could completly remove the milk, this would not be done by bishul, and therefore it would be mutar. The Rama comments on Tipas chalav, that if you didn"t stir or cover the pot, the only part assur is the meat the milk fell on. The rest of the pot is OK. If we say that BBC is Gufa Issur, and it would assur another piece without Rotav, then if this was true, the food in the rest of the pot should be assur, even if you didn't stir it. The fact that the Rama says it is not assur if you didn't stir it, means that this piece of meat will not assur other pieces without Rotav.
Chochmas Adam explains according to the Maharai. The meat does not assur the rest of the pot because it is not Gufa shel issur, but why does the milk not assur from BBC, because the milk is an issur balua, and it is Kachush. Since it is Kachush it will not assur.
Blood: when absorb into meat it is Balua. Since by issur balua we can differentiated by Kachush and Shamain, we will say it is Kachush, and will not go from one piece to another. A piece of meat or chicken that was never salted, has its own blood in it, in such a case, if it is salted or roasted, it will assur another piece of meat, because these processes remove the blood from the meat, and if it touches another piece it will assur it. If it is blood that came from some where else, this blood does not come out and will not assur a piece it touches without rotev.

What if the issur is Kachush, and the piece that it is absorbed into is shamain. Does it spread from one piece to another? This is case 2 of Gilyon Marsha in Shiur 17. Shach: The issur balua which is kachush, does not spread from one piece to another. He quotes this from the Tur.
What if the issur balua shamain is hot and falls on cold piece: Shach don't even need a klipa (which is what we usually say for Tata Gavar). PM if not hefsed hold by /Pri Chadash/Pri Toar: need a klipa if issur balua is shamain.
Shach: Balua that comes out of a kli will assur a klipa if there is no Rotev (Degel Moshe). This is Kli to food, but kli to kli, Rotev is needed. Lechatchila one pot which is assur should not touch another pot, or Milchig and fleishig should not touch if they are hot, but is mutar bediavad.